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Legal stealing or real theft?

2 May 2011

I asked members of my private website at goldentouchcraps.com to comment on the various moral scenarios one can be in during one's casino play. I'll give you the basic types of incidents, the law and what some board members had to say.

Want a 30-day free subscription to this great private website? Send me your e-mail and name to fscobe@optonline.net.

The Situation: The dealer overpays you or makes a major blunder in a game. Are you allowed legally to keep the chips?

The Law: Yes, you are. The law does not make you responsible for a dealer error in a game. If the error isn't caught, you have no legal responsibility to hand back the money.

The Situation: You find a chip on the floor. Can you keep it?

The Law: No, it belongs to the casino.

The Situation: There is money in the slot tray? The slot machine still has credits to be played? Can you take the money? Can you play the credits?

The Law: No, the money and the credits belong to the casino.

What would you do in such cases? Here are some responses from my website members:

Dr. Crapology: "The [blackjack] dealer looked at her hole card every time she had an ace up. It took me about three times to realize that if she had a face card down she asked for insurance. If she did not have a face card down she immediately began to ask anyone if they wanted to hit. So every time she asked for insurance I took it and was successful. The other players thought I was a genius. She was a new dealer. But again not properly supervised and I did not feel it my job to police the casino employees."

Section 8: "I've had come bets [in craps] with full odds out on the table. I made my point and the next come-out roll was a winning 7, except for my [losing] come bets. The dealers ignored taking down my losing come bets. They leave all three come bets up and working."

The Retired Ballplayer: "I notice many mistakes by dealers, in payoffs, change, or they pay the wrong player. If a dealer makes a mistake in my favor, silence is a beautiful thing. If the dealer shorts me, I jump their [expletive] in a heart beat!"

The Goddess explained a situation she experienced. "In pai gow poker, the dealer's hand beats the player's hand, but the dealer calls the hand a push and leaves it." She didn't have to do a thing. The dealer did it for her.

Skinny: "I took out a marker at a craps table in LV. I had done that before on the trip so they cut out the chips right away. About roughly 5 - 10 minutes later, they brought the marker over for me to sign. It was filled out for a lesser amount than what I had requested and already received in chips. I told them of their error and they were extremely grateful. I expect it was the correct thing to do morally and legally."

Rodrigo: "I tend to be honest but when a dealer makes a mistake I tend not to be honest. What if a dealer deliberately leaves up a bet of yours that lost as a thank you for tipping? Do you tell on him?"

The Situation: Malfunctions in casino software?

The Law: Malfunctions void the payouts.

Section 8: "One particular player's card issued me an "extra 0" in my total Tier points. Instead of having 8,500 tier points, I suddenly had 85,000 which were well over their highest and most prized status level. I often wonder when this actually occurred, but I only noticed it a few summers back while playing video poker.

"Yes the moral thing would have been to advise someone. How about doing nothing? I neither took advantage of it during several trips, nor did I tell anyone. However, when I returned home I would just monitor the thing and see if the mistake had been caught. Nothing.

"After about a year of watching this and receiving all sorts of free monthly show tickets, free golf offers, and discounts for weddings and the like, I finally asked someone at the casino player's [club] about it. They said I had the points for well over a year and that I had been receiving offers and all the benefits for having the points on the card. I was basically told that these are my points and have been such for a while.

"I'm still leery about it though and the points are still on the card."

Steven C.: "First time we visited Lake Tahoe we took a van from Reno to the Cal Neva resort. I was watching the bags while the Ex-wife went in search of a phone to call her parents at their Condo to let them know we were there so they could pick us up.

"As it happened there were several banks of slots right there and I thought 'why not?' Unfortunately, I only had a couple quarters in my pocket and this was before you could stuff paper in the slots.

"I remember putting the first quarter in a machine, pulling and nothing. Then on the second pull, with no fanfare, bells or whistles, the machine empties its little bowels right into the tray.

"Naturally, I was excited about the win. My Ex, who had returned and was playing a machine opposite me, asked what I had won. Scanning the tumblers the answer was Nothing. There were NO winning combinations showing and I had won nothing.

"Nobody from the casino responded and my Ex was asking what we should do. Well, I did some quick "Constipating" (sic) and came up with my "Jimmy the Greek" theory. I grabbed several buckets and started filling them. It wasn't until they were full and I started putting the remainder in her purse that she thought to ask what I was doing.

"I then educated her on my theory. 'They are getting off easy,' I told her. She gave me one of those you got to be [kidding] me looks that only Ex wives can do so well. I could tell she didn't understand so I gave her the rest of the theory. 'What odds,' I asked, 'would Jimmy give me if I told him I was going to walk into this very casino with only two quarters, play them one quarter at a time on a randomly selected machine and hit a jackpot with no winning combination showing?' She looked at me strangely and said, 'I don't know.' 'Astronomical, bazillions to one,' I declared. 'They're getting off easy.'

"I beat a hasty but happy retreat from the scene of the crime."

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Frank Scoblete is the #1 best selling gaming author in America. His newest books are Slots Conquest: How to Beat the Slot Machines; Everything Casino Poker: Get the Edge at Video Poker, Texas Hold'em, Omaha Hi-Lo and Pai Gow Poker!; Beat Blackjack Now: The Easiest Way to Get the Edge; Casino Craps: Shoot to Win!; Cutting Edge Craps: Advanced Strategies for Serious Players; Casino Conquest: Beat the Casinos at Their Own Games! and The Virgin Kiss.

Frank and Casino City Times columnist Jerry "Stickman" teach private lessons in dice control. Frank's books are available at Amazon.com, in bookstores or by mail order. Call 1-800-944-0406 or write to Frank Scoblete Enterprises, PO Box 446, Malverne, NY 11565. Frank can also be reached by email at fscobe@optonline.net.

Frank Scoblete Websites:

www.goldentouchcraps.com
www.goldentouchblackjack.com

Books by Frank Scoblete:

Casino Craps: Shoot to Win!

> More Books By Frank Scoblete

Frank Scoblete
Frank Scoblete is the #1 best selling gaming author in America. His newest books are Slots Conquest: How to Beat the Slot Machines; Everything Casino Poker: Get the Edge at Video Poker, Texas Hold'em, Omaha Hi-Lo and Pai Gow Poker!; Beat Blackjack Now: The Easiest Way to Get the Edge; Casino Craps: Shoot to Win!; Cutting Edge Craps: Advanced Strategies for Serious Players; Casino Conquest: Beat the Casinos at Their Own Games! and The Virgin Kiss.

Frank and Casino City Times columnist Jerry "Stickman" teach private lessons in dice control. Frank's books are available at Amazon.com, in bookstores or by mail order. Call 1-800-944-0406 or write to Frank Scoblete Enterprises, PO Box 446, Malverne, NY 11565. Frank can also be reached by email at fscobe@optonline.net.

Frank Scoblete Websites:

www.goldentouchcraps.com
www.goldentouchblackjack.com

Books by Frank Scoblete:

> More Books By Frank Scoblete